The Kuklapolitan Website was pleased to receive a note from Bruce Berquist, who described himself as "one of the luckiest men in TV," since he was the cameraman for KFO from 1950 to 1954.  Of course, I followed up with an interview, and in the summer of 1999 Bruce shared some great stories on life "behind the scenes" with the Kuklapolitans.  Thanks, Bruce!

When KFO left NBC in 1954, Bruce continued at WNBQ in Chicago (which soon became WMAQ), working at virtually every job in the engineering department.  Beginning in 1972, he traveled with NBC Sports and NBC News as a technical director, covering events in the eastern half of the country until his retirement in 1985.


To begin, tell me - how does someone become a television cameraman, before there were any television cameramen?

Luck, I guess.  I got out of the service in '46, and I saw this ad in the Chicago Tribune: "Get Into Television - The Latest blah, blah, blah" - you know.  Of course, there were practically no television stations in Chicago then, but I thought, "what the heck," and gave it a shot.  I went to a school called American Television Laboratories - kind of a fly-by-night thing, taking advantage of the G.I. Bill of Rights - but they had a lot of good instructors there.  It was almost a three year course, and when I got out, my father, who had been a musician at NBC radio since 1928, arranged an interview at WNBQ.

I started out as a summer relief audio engineer in radio, and in the fall of '50, TV opened up and I got a job there.  I was kind of lucky, because there were a lot of promotions among the crew, and though I started out as a boom operator, within a couple of weeks I was a cameraman on KFO.  At first, I just operated the camera that did the commercials, but the fellow on the main camera had eye trouble, and in a couple of more weeks I graduated to the main camera.

When did you start with the show?

It was September of 1950.  I was only 25, so I was kind of nervous, walking right into a network show my first day at the station.  Even though the network didn't go west of the Mississippi 'til 1952, KFO was already a big show.  I mean, you had "Howdy Doody," that was . . . well, that was a show for moron kids (laughs) . . . we were a little better than that!

So KFO was intended for both adults and children?

It definitely included adults in its audience - look at the guests we had:  Carol Channing, June Lockhart, Dave Garroway, Lena Horne, Robert Q. Lewis, Jose Greco.  And Gommy (Lewis Gomavitz, KFO's director), always went out of his way to introduce every guy in the crew to these guests.

Did Burr ever allow guests to sit backstage and watch him perform the show?

Not that I know of - I never saw anybody backstage, except Joe Lockwood (the costume designer).

But there was a small audience in the studio, right?

Yes, they squeezed about twenty people into that little studio.  In the fall of '52, they moved to a larger studio, and that held more people.

What was a typical day on the show like for you?

I'd start with KFO at about 4:30.  We'd rehearse the opening and close, and rehearse the music: Fran's songs, Kukla's songs, whatever.  And that was the only rehearsal we did.  Burr would get out there and try a new costume or a bit of business once in awhile, or he might play "Find Kukla" or "Find Buelah" with me - they'd try to hide from the camera, and I was not allowed to look around the viewfinder hood to find them.  He'd do that in rehearsal sometimes if he was in a frisky mood - which wasn't that often.  And then at 6 pm, we were on the air live.

Were you told the plot for that day's show before you went on the air?

No, I had no idea.  I would just wing it along with Burr.

You mentioned in your note that Kukla was in charge on the set. . . how did that work?

Well, Kukla was definitely Burr's alter-ego, and Burr had a problem talking "man to man," if you will.   For example, Burr had the best monitor money could buy backstage, and I had to check it each day to make sure it was sharp.  Which I always did, but then Kukla would come up and bitch about his monitor, that it looked terrible.  So John Natale, the technical director, would say, "Bruce, go back and see what's wrong with the damn monitor."  I'd go back again and ask Burr what was wrong, and Burr would say, "Well now, it's not too bad.  I guess maybe I just have a hangover today."  He wouldn't complain, but Kukla . . . boy, could he bitch!  (laughs) Yeah, Kukla was a real crab. . .
 


So Kukla would say what Burr couldn't?

Absolutely.

More so than Ollie?

Ollie was a good head - Ollie never complained.  Kukla was the perfectionist that Burr was.  He was in charge of the Kuklapolitans, so he had a lot of responsibility.

How did Burr and Fran work together?

Fran was so easy-going, almost meek.  She would do anything that Burr wanted, anything that was required.  For example, some of her costumes - say for the Christmas shows - she had to wear all this heavy outdoor clothing under those hot lights.  But she went along with it.


Speaking of Christmas, Burr threw good Christmas parties - he had this coach house at 1500 N. State Parkway, and Jack Fascinato would play the piano, and there was a lot of good-natured drinking going on, and a lot of good food.  And when the show went to once a week, with an orchestra, they were invited to the party, too.

So it was fun working on the show?

It was a fun show to do, but you didn't get paid to have fun.  They were tough - they were perfectionists.  You didn't screw up on that show.  I remember the opening, Kukla would come up and do a little shtick and then hold up the RCA logo, and that was my cue to zoom in on it - and I didn't miss that baby, I tell ya!  I'd zoom in and hit it right on the money and hold it - that's the perfection they demanded.  But there was no law against laughter, and I remember one show - when Ollie tried to spell "Mother" with blocks, but got it backwards and spelled "Rethom" instead - that I laughed so hard the Zoomar lens bounced!

I've heard the "Zoomar" lens mentioned in some of the shows.  That was big news?

Yes it was - the Zoomar was invented by a chap named Dr. (Frank) Back.  It's that long scope contraption you see in the photo of me.  This lens was meant to be used out of doors, and required a lot of light - they had to throw 500 foot-candles of light on the KFO stage to get any resolution at all.

Having a zoom lens must have made it a lot easier to frame the puppets tightly or to pull out to show Fran and the stage.

That's correct - and it had to be done on the spur of the moment.  I had to think as fast as Burr sometimes to figure out what the heck he was going to do next!  A dolly camera wouldn't have cut it.
 


Did the Kuklapolitans ever talk to you on the air?

I remember in '53, my first daughter was born.  I gave Burr a cigar before the show, and Ollie came up with the cigar in his mouth, and he congratulated me on the air, and Frannie did, too.  And there were a couple of other instances - little quickies, like "Hey - watch it, Bruce," or something like that.
 
 
 

What was Beulah Zachary, the producer, like?

I liked Beulah.  She was tough, and she was smart, but she was fair and she liked a good laugh every once in a while.  Beulah could never be accused of being sweet, but I liked her.  I never had a bit of trouble with her - she'd welcome you if you were new on the show, and after watching the "off the air" version of each show in the office, she'd come into the studio and say, "Good job," if you deserved it.  So she was not afraid to compliment people . . . but don't screw up!
 
 
 

One incident I recall was when I was working on another show in the morning with the Art Van Damme quintet.  That was a fun show, with Hugh Downs and a girl singer.  They were absolutely excellent musicians - and they were all crazy, too!  And some of the rehearsals got a little wild, and one time they got too loud and Beulah called up Jules Herbuveaux, the man in charge, to complain.  And Jules himself came down from the 20th floor and told us to hold it down.
 

And how about Gommy?

He was one of the boys - Burr's henchmen.  There was nothing to direct in the show, really - he'd rehearse the opening and close of the show every day, and he always got the opening and close down.  He'd cue the stage manager, and cue Burr, and give him a countdown at the end of the show, but that was about it.

It must have been a challenge doing a live, ad-libbed show every day.

I remember one show with Marlin Perkins as a guest.  He brought a skunk on the show. The scent glands were gone, but he got diarrhea on the show!  Luckily, it was right near the end of the show, but I mean big time - it was running down the front of the stage.  And Burr came out at the end of the show, with Kukla carrying a mop and a pail.  But Gommy had to clean it up.  The stagehands disavowed it - it was not in their contract!
 
 

Do you have any memories of favorite shows?

I liked the holiday shows.  Burr welcomed holidays - they gave him a theme, of course.  He would do a whole week's worth of Christmas shows, all the cast interacting - what plans they had and all that.  And there was nothing like that show to put you in the Christmas spirit!  Kukla and Fran singing, "It's Christmastime in the City."  I'll never forget that.

And you know, here's an important point to remember:  with all those cast members, and with all that interaction, you forget that you never saw more than two puppets on the stage at once.   Many years later he did specials with a bunch of the Kuklapolitans on stage at once, but I felt that was kind of a corruption of the show.  I'd walk in the studio and see a big table with three Kuklas lying there, with different costumes on - ugh, that was sickening.
 


So you really thought of the Kuklapolitans as real people?

Oh, absolutely.  Whaddya mean - they were real people!  (laughs)


A lot of people seem to react that way.

Yep - I was convinced!  When I would check Burr's monitor back stage, I'd see them all hanging upside down by their hooks.  I not only didn't dare touch them, I avoided even looking at them, in case one of them would ask, "Hey, who are you looking at?"  It takes a genius to make you believe so strongly, and Burr was a genius, no doubt.

  

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